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Mary Queen of Scots George MacDonald Tolerating Other Religions The Efficiency of the Police About Beliefs The Common Man Two Stubborn Pieces of Iron The Revival of Philosophy--Why? Scipio and the Children The Philosophy of Islands The Artistic Side What Is Right with the World Preface Chap I.

The Ethics of Elfland Chap V. Part I. Some Aspects of Machinery Part V. Book discussion: Beginning Separate listing. Part one. The homelessness of man Part two. Imperialism, or the mistake about man Part three.

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Feminism, or the mistake about woman Part four. Education: or the mistake about the child Part five. Francis of Assisi 9 St. Some mystery stories and radio plays by Chesterton for your entertainment. Wine and Water. Barrie, Chesterton, and George Bernard Shaw. Hypothetical dialogue between G. Chesterton and Milton Friedman by John Howting. Group Discussion Compilation of comments and discussion points from members and other participants. He was recognized as a gifted defender of the faith by Pope Pius XI.

In comparison with C. Lewis, the group speculated why Chesterton does not seem as popular in recent times. Perhaps because Catholics have the Pope but protestants don't. Chesterton's view of the role of woman was discussed. This might not be appreciated by women of today. Chesterton considered the appropriateness of women sufferage. Chesterton along with Hilaire Belloc advocated distributism as a superior economic system compared with either capitalism or socialism.

The applicability and practicality of distributism was briefly discussed. Modern technology was pointed out as an example that requires capitalism. Meanwhile many diseases continue with no cure. It was suggested, as an example, that many types of food cause disease, which is not addressed. We on earth, who are not divine, must have ideals to guide us. A man of action must have ideals. Conversely, men without ideals will resort to inaction Chip and Dale syndrome.

It was pointed out that an ideal carried to an extreme might conflict with another ideal and therefore must be tempered. It was discussed, for example, that the ideal of justice should be tempered with mercy, otherwise it leads to injustice. The difference between tempered and moderation was briefly discussed. It is difficult to resolve disagreement between two sides if they each don't define their position.

On the other hand, if they each define their point through dogma then a point in between can be reasonably found. It was suggested that such compromise is appropriate in dealing with two virtues but not between virtue and evil. Religion, defined by a set of dogmas, is practical. Two such religions can find common ground. Dogma defines a point, whereas prejudice defines a direction. The application of these issues to our current time was discussed with several examples. It was suggested that G. Chesterton in comparison with C.

Lewis was more intuitive and Lewis more logical. A free thinker, free from the future and the past, cares for what ought to be. Wells wrote about social Darwinism leading to dystopia. Humanity is emphasized over human beings. Video games and science fiction illustrate a vision of the future, while the past tends to be vaguely remembered, e.

The Holy Roman Empire was none of the three words. Some video games provide a virtual experience of past events, for example WWII. War is sometimes necessary to stop bullying and should be fought morally by warriors with honor. Mechanized warfare e. The morality of using the two atomic bombs on Japan and carpet bombing of Germany was discussed. They may be examples of schadenfreude. Chesterton's comments on the phrase, "you can not turn the clock back" were discussed. Indeed the clock can be turned back.

Thomas refused to agree with Henry, siding with Church law over royalty. Subsequently, four knights in response to Henry's statement , assassinated Thomas smashing his body and brains on the church floor, symbolic of destroying his physical imposition of Church law and his Christian idealism respectively. The French Revolution half succeeded and have failed in fulfilling its three ideals, equality, fraternity and liberty, because although it destroyed aristocracy it didn't apply to all and evolved into the reign of terror.

Animal Farm, some are more equal than others. It was followed by Napoleon. The French Revolution was based on two ideals for government honorable poverty stoicism and extreme publicity transparency , where as English Aristocracy assumed that wealthy men would not be tempted to trickery. The Christian Ideal has never been successfully tried.

Neither has been the communism ideal from each according to his ability to each according to his need. Ideals need to be lived to be judged. Family life is a primary ideal. Fallen man finds it difficult to commit to the family ideal, leading to divorce and childless marriages. On the other hand, constraints bring happiness to human creativity. Families are more fulfilled in separate houses rather attached. Hudge big government and Gudge big business interfere with individual creativity.

Aristocrats are always on the side of progress. Two examples are the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. The insane necessity Chesterton searches for a word to describe what he calls imperialism, which is the attraction of people to move to different regions of an empire because it would apparently make them a "different" person, or the "the grass is greener" or for the allusion of comfort.

Other regions, however, are likely to be similar in many respects, but might have different cultures. English imperialism concerns human intercourse. If one is a materialist than why talk at all, everything is predetermined starting from the big bang. But what caused the big bang, perhaps it was the collision of branes multi-dimensional membranes posited by String theory. Steve Hawking, renowned physicist, explains it with words similar to the first verse of the last gospel of St John.

Evolution in the Darwinian sense is used to explain the existence of life that presently exists. There was discussion concerning the Church's acceptance of evolution, but perhaps not in the Darwinian sense. A counter argument to evolution is the existence of irreducible complexity in biological entities and missing links between different species. The Church teaches that God has given us a free will, which is not consistent with materialism. Science of evolution is arguably wrong, as it has been with other issues such as global warming.

Scripture and tradition support religious beliefs independent of science and there is no conflict, which is addressed by the concept of Rational Christianity described by Mike Flynn. Mike Flynn also wrote a science fiction story called Eifelheim about the encounter of extraterrestrial aliens. Discussion then started about the possibility of extraterrestrial life, with or without immortal souls. The human incarnation of Christ was mentioned as a concern. The Fall of man might not have occurred with possible extraterrestrial beings.

The universe is vast and life might be expected to abound. Comparision of time and eternity was discussed. The science fiction book "A Wrinkle of Time" was mentioned to introduce the concept of time travel. Time is sequential and it was suggested that eternity for humans is sequential also, as described by St Thomas as abeternity.

Every man is humiliated by the fact that he can not become God although God became man. Men relate to each other by comradeship based on equality, which is a form of love and speak about subject matter. Lewis discussed that there are four kinds of Love. Women speak about each other. Women are concerned about hearth and home and are protective like a mother grizzly bear. It was suggested that democracy is the enemy of civilization homoludenous. Democracy was compared to monarchy. Chesterton favored democracy. Democracy under monarchy involved regicide. Martin was brought up. St Thomas Aquinas in his book "On Kingship, to the King of Cyprus" asserts that monarchy is the best form of government.

Lord Acton, in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in , stated "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men. That is why the US Constitution provides for checks and balances among the branches of government and supports federalism.

It was suggested that we haven't had federalism since the Civil War. Chesterton states that man must either live under rules, impersonal government, or rulers, personal government. Comparison was made between submission to weak vs. Big business is based on utility, which can be undesirable. Blogger Mark Shea compares the ruling class vs. Blogger Fredericka Mathewes-Green speaks about real women vs. The importance of faith was discussed. It was posed whether with faith one could grow a new arm.

We discussed immigration, its need for reform, its relationship to cultural unity, multilingualism, and balkanization. Woman suffragettes are unmilitary in the sense they fight for a cause, but not to win and thus end the fight. They are anarchists rather than revolutionists, they are personal rather than impersonal.

Chesterton feels awkward writing about this as a man. In opposing suffrage for women he's not saying woman are not good enough to vote, but rather voting is not good enough for women. He is trying to be chivalrous. Government is coercive and performs many unpleasant tasks, such as executions, tax collection, imprisonment. By voting, women would collectively participate in such things.

Saint Paul says that a wife should be submissive to her husband and that a husband should love his wife Some discussion considered whether woman suffrage is right. Some women argue that they don't want to be confined to the home and take orders, but are willing to enter the work place and take dictation. Chesterton says that the home doesn't narrow the woman, but broadens her. As a homemaker she acts as universalist, rather than specialist.

She is a Jill of all trades. She might not cook as well as a chef, but better than most men. Women excel in two virtues thrift and dignity. Women value thrift because it is an art and requires creativity. Men partake in waste, which requires no effort. Woman use the dustbin to recycle for thrift, men use it for playthings. Chesterton perhaps exaggerates about the dustbin to make a point, whereas C. Lewis is more direct.

Dignity is important to women and is reflected in the way they dress and act. When men officials require dignity for their roles they put on feminine garments, e. Women are intimidating when they are silent, not when they are emotional. Compared to men, women are conscientious and patient. They try to do things that are right rather than depend on the outcome, whereas men are outcome based profit motivated.

Thus women tend to be for socialism and men capitalism. It was suggested that a good blend is distributism. Men tend to exaggerate the importance of what they do, such as government affairs and the workplace, so women thought they were serious. Consequently, government and the workplace were made more important than they should be and the home was made to shrink. Woman consequently wanted to vote and work outside the home at the expense of homemaking. The child became less visible and home education became weakened.

Today children tend not to miss their mother. There exists a Calvinistic theory of education in which students are predetermined by their genetic makeup as to what they learn. Chesterton says Calvinism is the last lie in hell, which might mean the ultimate lie or a subsequent lie to the first that we are all god. Calvinism was compared to prosperity gospel, which holds that good things happen to good people because God wants it that way. Related to this is the Presbyterian view that if you think of it you make it happen, which is a Kantian view point.

The Evangelical concept of born again was compared to predestination. Martin Luther suggested that justification is a "manure pile covered with snow". With predestination, God imputes what we are. I was born this way. The Catholic view is that God "predestinates" everyone to heaven, but gives us free will to choose. Education is authoritarian. This notion was developed by Aquinas built on Augustine and Aristotle. Luther, in contrast, makes everyone pope.

Tribalism is the notion that we are all one in Christ. Counter to predestination is the intellect. Peter Singer and Terri Schiavo were discussed. There are lawsuits to establish animals as being human. Richard Dawkins supports this through atheistic evolution. There is a movement for human extinction. This is opposed by Voltaire with the term "noble savage". Dogma is education. As Chesterton says, parents should indoctrinate, apply dogma. The state acts towards education as if there is crisis. Chesterton wrote this at the beginning of progressivism The Albigensian Crusade fought against the heresy of gnosticism.

We discussed holistic health as not being all new age and fracking. In regard to education and home schooling, we discussed authority being violent because it's creative, truth, and new-born babies.

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Everyone is educated mostly wrong. It was suggested that God lets us learn the hard way. We considered a possible change of venue for our meetings, because openness in the bookstore allows interference between us and others sharing the space. A meeting room in some library, preferably not much South or West of the bookstore, was suggested. Suggestions are encouraged. Considering the purpose of education, it was suggested that it changed from the pursuit of interest to job qualification. Two main theories of education were reviewed: 1 rationality is inborn and needs to be drawn out and 2 a human is born with a "blank slate", tabula rasa, and needs to learn through empiricism.

Attempts are made to disturb parental authority, but it can not be avoided. It was described that In Chesterton's time public education was more for the higher classes for social purposes, while the common student enrolled in elementary education. There was discussion about the motivation of public teachers.

It was suggested that they lack proper incentive, because they are underpaid, first to be blamed by parents and are monitored. Schools should be more local and autonomous and therefore more like home schools. Home schooling provides more incentive for the teacher and therefore more academic potential, but there might be a problem with social interaction for the students. Published curriculums and tutors can compensate the lack of subject specialization of the teacher.

Because there were medical and holistic health specialists participating, there was an interesting digression concerning curative versus preventative methods, which involved consideration of the scientific method, the germ theory of medicine, proper nutrition, patient intuition and listening. In reference to the scientific method Kathy commented about the variability of physical constants, which was met with some disbelief among the others. She later found four articles that discuss the point.

Meeting Nov 3, - What's wrong with the World: part 5 The Home Of Man and Three notes Burke, in regard to the French Revolution, argued that everywhere man is molded by his environment evolution , which Chesterton refers to as atheistic. It was noted that Chesterton generally aligns with Burke, but constantly argues against him.

Abortion was discussed as an example of Burkes thinking. Abortion exists because its easier than changing conditions. Some related points that were discussed where 1 the "4th trimester" of gestation 2 cloning 3 harvesting body parts. We discussed the good of the individual vs humanity. Jesus did not come to save humanity.

Similarly, the function of the family should not be encroached by the state. Chesterton points out that things that appear similar are used vastly differently, as illustrated by umbrellas and walking sticks, laundries and kitchens, and as Steve mentioned coffee cups and donuts, which are topologically equivalent. Some people have enough wit to be nitwits!

We discussed what Chesterton refers as peasant proprietorship. The trouble with capitalism is that there is not enough capitalists. A suggested way of distributing property capital is to buy out large landlords. Economy of scale needs to be addressed. Large stores, e. Meijers, exploit buying power to obtain low prices. This might be done on a low level through cooperatives e. Amazon market place or trade guilds. Large trusts have been broken by Roosevelt. We discussed good and bad people.

It was suggested that there is a dichotomy formed by a people who believe in a Divine good and act in a characteristically good manner and b those that don't. It was pointed out that people can and do change with time and that it is not possible to determine who is in either category. We considered examples involving asceticism and contrition. Hudge progressive, big government and Gudge conservative, big business support each other in oppressing the individual and the family. Together they form the ruling class. This is addressed in the book, Aa The Memoirs of a Communist's infiltration in to the Church, a Harvard commencement address on socialism and capitalism, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Mark Shea's blog Some points brought up in our discussion of socialism and captilism are: Socialism is devised, Capitalism is about how it works Europe has become dependent on socialism for generations, the US has pervasive regulations Mobs are conservative Freedom without truth is not freedom One word of truth outweighs the world We decided that in the future we'll meet on the last Wednesday of each month, same place, same time.

Meeting Dec 5, The Outline of Sanity: part I chap 1 The beginning of the Quarrel The meeting started with a vigorous debate concerning the merits of unfettered capitalism versus distributism. The main proponent of capitalism questioned whether Chesterton is using common sense in proposing distributism, since it would limit the amount of productive capital used by an individual. The question was posed, what limit if any should apply to an individual's use of capital? Two replies where proffered 1 upto the point where someone must work for a wage for such an individual and 2 until the individual's use of capital for production interferes with that of others.

In response, it was retorted that individuals pursuing their self-interest help the common good, as promoted by Adam Smith. It was also retorted that Chesterton should not promote an economic system because he is not an economist, such as Milton Friedman. The implementation of distributism was discussed.

If the government did it through regulation, it would have the undesired effect of giving the government even more power over private enterprise, which could degenerate into socialism. A more desirable approach, it was suggested, is to do it through "evangelization". As more people see the advantage of distributism it could become organic. Once established, distributism would arguably be stable because it would be supported by the vast majority of people.

Capitalism and communism, on the other hand, are unstable because they're not organic.

The fallen nature of man was brought into the discussion. It was intimated that only unfettered capitalism is robust to man's fallen nature, unlike communism or distributism, which are bound to fail due to corruption. It was countered that distributism, a Catholic teaching, can be treated on a moral basis and be thus successively defended against corruption. It grows like a weed in the absence of culture. Peasantry is fostered by civilization, It depends on mutual aid, much like an arch that is stable because each stone supports other stones.

Equality of peasantry supports its continuity. England became capitalistic because it was an oligarchy.


Power isn't stable. There was a difference between north and south England separated by Hadrian's wall. Catholic demographics varies by region because of historical events such as persecution. We discussed the universality of the church. We agreed that the present mass is universal because it was devised by Vatican II, but questioned whether the mass before was universal because it depended on the traditions of different rites. It was suggested that it was universal because it was the Tridentine mass as set by the council of Trent.

We discussed what constitutes capitalism and to what degree it exists in the US. There are a number of big businesses including manufacturers and retail chains that are capitalistic, but there are many more small businesses that represent distributism. We decided franchises are capitalistic because they are centrally controlled. The industrial revolution drove people to cities with a grid-like infrastructure on which people became dependent.

Transportation or other breakdown causes shortages and other adverse effects. Jobs are more cushy, that is more robust to temporary laxity of performance. Distributism depends on individual and societal morality. It is adversely affected by marriage breakdown, lack of respect for life and other immorality. Capitalism depends on socialism. Companies become too big to fail and are supported by government.

The rich will always be rich enough to hire poor workers. Common good is lost. Capitalism is ironic because it depends on individualism. Capitalists are contradictory because they want common man to be poor enough to work for them but at the same time to be rich enough to buy their products. We discussed how to get distributism to work when our system is collapsing.

Remove impediments and causes of degeneracy stop drinking the poisoned beer. Recognize that the model of peasantry is not a machine. Peasantry doesn't depend on laws. Good laws do not make good people, according to Benjamin Franklin. Try to make something that will mold itself. People find a sociable society organic. A monastery is an example of the use of common land by many individuals, however they have a choice based on their free will. In a distributive state not all people are distributists. The attraction of socialism is security, which is the reason people procure insurance.

In Chesterton's time big shops were not as big as those today. Although Harrods was rather large. We considered at what point does a big business become big in a capitalistic sense. One way to establish distributism is to counter monopolistic capitalism. It was suggested that boycotting big business generally doesn't work. Barns and Noble was given as an example of a big business that will likely fail because it is dominated by an even bigger business, of its stores are closing and Nook is not competitive with Kindle. Distributism is a mixed economy, with both big and small businesses.

Guilds could play a role. We questioned whether a franchise, e. Radio Shack, is a collection of small business or a collective big business. Services and trades tend to be small businesses. A sector with a single little guy is as bad as one big guy. Collusion causes many small businesses to appear as a single large business. Today everybody buys from China. Big business bluffs through advertising, convincing people that they are good because they are big.

Today, advertising takes many forms. Blogs include advertisements that target the reader. Some businesses hire young people to go into bars to taut their products through contrived conversations. Facebook promotes a post for a fee. Psychology is used in marketing, e. Economics favors big shops. Many people can own stock in a big company although, Dell Computer is going private. Southfield rejected building a new Walmart.

Costco sells large packages of food. Small shops are bought up by big shops causing fatalists to weep but only if they weep in vain. Big business enjoys an economy of scale. An Amish community counters this by buying bulk food and repackaging it. They also have a low overhead. Chesterton asserts that small business can compete with big business if a campaign is mounted such as the Land Campaign in Ireland. It has a Christian duty to use its controlled property in a proper manner. Trusts have a heavy burden, but they often act in a tyrannical manner.

It was suggested that some families are controlled in a similar manner by a dominating person acting tyrannical, e. Parents' primary task is to work themselves out of a job. Examples of government trusts are the national debt and pension boards. Trusts are countered by populist governments such as Theodore Roosevelt and Mike Huckabee. The notion of distributism is similar to various other social phenomena, At first it seems implausible but as it put into practice it begins to seem inevitable. Distributism is encouraged by supporting small shops. There is a struggle between the rich man and the small man.

Mark Shea discusses this in his blog. There is division between the public and the ruling class. Gradualism should be used to establish distributism. History doesn't make sharp turns. The peasant class is a mixture of different sizes and industries. Distributism might be initiated by volunteers, who should face the work involved, "just do it" and act heroic. Volunteers are encouraged through education. O'Rourke was referenced. Some suggestions were: Passing a law that no one can vote who receives money from the government. Elections should be done with instant-runoff voting.

Statistics are artificial because individuals are not atomic Fr. Monsanto is running the FDA. Genetically modified wheat from the US is banned in other countries because of cross fertilization. Happy is the man that knows the causes of things. Otherwise he is dominated by despots and is feed and entertained by "bread and circuses". In our country we are exposed to perpetual scandal to prevent us from getting to know the cause of any one thing. The wage slave spends free time watching, reading, listening to a fixed set of things about other people.

They talk ignorant about what they think are ignorant peasants. Many of the characters travel to and from these numerous countries throughout the plot and their politics plays a large role in the events taking place.

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Main Article: Beelzenia. An empire originating in the south of Evillious. It was also known as the "Red Country" or the "country born under the new moon". In the century after the Magic Kingdom Levianta's destruction, Beelzenia conquered territory farther north and controlled two-thirds of the region's landmass at its height.

In the centuries afterward, both Asmodean and Lucifenia declared independence and Beelzenia swiftly declined. Main Article: Lucifenia. A state in the mid-west of Evillious. It was once a Beelzenian territory before declaring its independence in EC and became the Kingdom of Lucifenia. Main Article: Elphegort. A state north of Lucifenia. It was also known as the "Green Country". Their sacred god Held resided in its forest as the "Millennium Tree", [10] but was later replaced by the " new Millennium Tree " sometime after the Lucifenian Revolution.

Main Article: Marlon. A state on the Hark Sea west of the Evillious mainland. It was also known as the "Blue Country". Armed with the strongest navy of the region, the nation originally competed with the Lioness country over the island but later gained hegemony over it. It later became part of the Union State of Evillious. Main Article: Asmodean. A state along the eastern border of Evillious. Asmodean was originally part of the Beelzenian Empire and was the staging ground for many of its wars. Less than a century after the Venomania Event , it established its own independence.

Main Article: Levianta. Main Article: Union State of Evillious. Main Article: Jakoku. An island nation in the eastern region of Bolganio, far from Evillious. Main Article: Maistia. Main Article: Lioness. The vessels of sin [note 3] were seven relics inhabited by a Demon of Sin. The Vices have transformed the garden into a bog.

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